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08/16/2011

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LCFwino

"heal the Planet"? Good luck with that. Shows a lot of arrogance there.

BD, as an organized entity, is over. Finished. Done.

Brian O'Donnell

actually, I think this is a huge step in the right direction...imposing processing standards to be able to acknowledge responsible farming practices is stupid and only adds to consumer confusion...

I consider it "a step" because imho the whole 2-tier thing for BD wine is stupid ("borrowed" from the equally stupid organic model)... someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that in Europe there is one (Demeter) standard for BD wine which includes of course the farming but also "common sense" processing guidelines that are driven by the pursuit of quality & typicity vs dogma & sulfite paranoia

Georgios Hadjistylianou

Masanobu Fukuoka will be turning in his grave after all this........

The US are once more moving into helping the big guys rather than attempting to protect the rest.

MY QUESTION TO JIM FULMER IS
WHO'S BEHIND ALL THIS JIM, AND FOR HOW LONG?

This are very sad news. BD is obviusly not for every one, and who's attempting to folow it either does it 100% or stay at home playing with their kids. That's why the first step is PRACTICING BD and if you can handdle it then you move to the next step. This is a long process that takes time to understand the earth and your lands ways.

As Alice said, is THE emotional connection to the earth and environment, and the observation of the earth and your land that guides you to act accordingly, obviusly in big scales there is not going to be such a maticulous observations.

In large scale farming, BD will become one of the same

I trully hope the original bio producers, the men & women who believe in all these should be withdrawn from demeter and want nothing to do with that org.

Brigitte Armenier

OK, let's try to bring a bit of meaning here or we will end up with what Jonathan Franzen describes as the vacuity of a certain type of American thinking :)

1) "The Standard for Biodynamic Wine remains primarily as it has been for years --focus is on no manipulations--" Excellent, let's already acknowledge the fact that Demeter US 'Biodynamic Wine' is and remains for the consumer of American wines the ONLY official assurance of a 'true' product, made without chemicals in the vineyard nor manipulations in the cellar. Not mentioning all the products that avoid any type of certification, Demeter US 'Biodynamic Wine' thus is and remains the only certification which allows the consumer to choose with true freedom.


2) "…what was changed is the Standard for Wine made with BD grapes."
First of all, what has not changed here is the requirement that, with 100% BD grapes, the vineyards must be farmed according to the Biodynamic principles and regulations. Therefore Alice, why should you be worried about the use of copper?? As for your concern about some "damaging run on cow horns': don't you already know that the few hundred ones needed for the country are simply found in the "by-products" of the about 40 million cows slaughtered every year in the U.S.? Furthermore, biodynamists use them for several years. As for the bovine mesentery of the BD preparation #506, one is enough for 45,000 tons of compost on 15,000 acres. For the BD preparation #503, one cow's intestine is enough for 72,000 tons or more of compost on about 25,000 acres… shall we call this an excess of supply over demand? Now, "to look for an ox instead of a horse" has nothing to do with Biodynamics. Again and again and notwithstanding the size of the vineyard and/or company, what stands at the heart of Biodynamics is the banning of chemicals for a work with the BD preparations!

Finally, let's examine the change which affects this particular category of certification, and which only concerns part of the practices allowed in the cellar. The fact is that, whatever opinions you or I may have on the subject, the US Demeter Board didn't ask us for advice. And that is exactly where the shoe pinches!

One can't isolate Biodynamics from the social vision developed by Rudolf Steiner: fraternity in the economic activity, equality in the political sphere, and freedom in the cultural life. This is for instance where the Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) finds its roots. In our case, the equality before the regulations --and in their creation-- rests with Demeter. And while the wineries are economic in essence, you and I and consumers are all members of the civil society. From there on, it is easy to see that no consideration was given here to the creative imagination of the cultural power. With much logic, what we are then presented with is instead some sort of Trojan Horse born out of the usual egoism and fears of a too predominant economic activity… nothing new, just America struggling against its demons!

Joel Brut

What is meant by the term "aromatic yeasts?" I first read this term in this context in Darlington's book in the part about bio d in a interview with Joly. All yeast strains produce aromas. Is it a yeast strain with beta glucosidase side activities? A lot of yeasts (Klockera, Hansenula) that operate in a native fermentation produce this enzyme. It is a confusing term for sure. I imagine they use this term to cover their asses if they have to restart a stuck native fermentation. They can then say they did not use an "aromatic yeast." it's a dumb term.

Alicefeiring

All selected yeast strains promote aromas that might not be there with feral ones. But some are promoted by their ability to influence aromas. So, other than the basic, Red Star white and red, they are all considered aromatic. But yes, it is a cop out. For sure. Agreed.

Winecountrygeo

Sorry - I don't get why you say only 70% of grapes have to be organic? What is the context?

There are no less than 6 different classifications of organically grown wine in the U.S. which makes life very confusing. But to be labeled "made with organic grapes" the wine must contain 100% organic grapes. Reasonable people would like to see the USDA simplify this to be in accordance with the much simpler standards abroad.

Here's the CCOF link (which I sent you earlier in an email) on labeling.
http://www.ccof.org/pdf/factsheets/2011_Wine_Labeling.pdf

Winecountrygeo

Personally, I think you are overstating the issue - please pay careful attention to the labeling classifications. I don't see any harm in saying "made with BD grapes" meaning that the fruit is BD farmed and BD wine being a certified process. This parallels organic certification to some extent - but it's not an exact parallel. In CCOF labeling, "Made with Organic Grapes" means the wine is made in a certified organic facility whereas in BD land, "made with BD grapes" does not mean a certified facility is required - that is the "BD Wine" classification. Pity the poor consumer.

The biggest issue I see with BD/Demeter is the number of wineries who make biodynamic claims without getting certified (Demetria, Quintessa, others)...this is troubling.

Alicefeiring

There is no harm. Who said harm? But it is a watering down of a standard that had been in place to make way for more commercial endeavors. However, there is still a step above the organic regulation as the grapes must be 100%. Products made entirely with certified organic ingredients and methods can be labeled "100% organic". Products with at least 95% organic ingredients can use the word "organic". Made with organic grapes, at least 70%.

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