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03/10/2011

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LCFwino

Very, very nice! Thanks for posting this!

Alicefeiring

A pleasure. Plenty of good reading to be had there.

BelgianGourmand

Indeed very nice. Thanks for sharing Alice. I'm sure Doug's mails would even be more thought provoking. His London tasting certainly stirred the dust.
Yet, you know, according to my humble opinion, what the problem is with all this talking - both from adherents and opponents - about nat'l wine? It's just that they fail to see they over and over again slip into polarized discourse. Polarized talk that has it's roots in the way we think and talk (or do not) about wine like it used to be/to exist on the market, in books, in magazines, etc. before so-called nat'l wines were mediated. They (i.e. Giorgione, contrary to Atkin who has an inkling and elegantly puts himself in the safe haven of agnosticism) just fail to understand that by considering nat'l wines as an opposite to conventional wines they create a category that only exists by virtue of what they already know, i.e. conventional wines, and thereby, probably unconsciously, try to grasp nat'l wine with conventional categories (or their opposites, which are by the very nature of their linguistic relationship conventional as well).
Yet, are nat'l wines the binary opposite to conv'l wines? Or are they the counterpart - I prefer this term - to cultural wines? And what should those cult'l wines then be? Maybe it's because of our inability to answer this question, maybe it's because we are driven to the very cracks in our discourse, in our way of thinking, that some of us react in a 'visceral' way (I love Atkin's inverted parallel with Goering and Wregg's inter-text from Gasset and G. Stein)? Is it maybe because nat'l wine vehemently ravages our pacified and leveled wine discourse we hold so dear, we often react in a impulsive way?
To me - and I think to Wregg too - nat'l wine is, as a non-commodity (see the remarks by Atkin on pricing, marketability, or the taster's answer to Wregg's questions as quoted above), highlighting the boundaries of wine discourse, showing the fault lines in our thinking about wine in general, by placing itself deliberately beyond (cultural? absorbed? received?) convention (which doesn't mean it has no conventions in itself). Isn't this the reason why our so beloved categorial wine faults and flaws seem flawed themselves when tasting nat'l wines?
That's what I read when I read Chauvet though. A writer who, to me, fits in the league of Barthes, Lyotard or Derrida.
But that's just the idea of a 'so-called expert' in the domain. (And please excuse my pompous language.)

Alicefeiring

Did not see one iota of pomposity. But I have to say, comparing Chauvet to "Barthes, Lyotard or Derrida," that's a good one. I'll have to tell Eric Texier that. He might agree!

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